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    Damkat
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    attacking flyers. Aerial Assault

    Post by Damkat on Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:34 pm

    Just found this little bonus to all those with aerial assault rule Smile

    'aerial assault:due to open structure of its deck and sophisticated target matrices, a ravager that moved at cruising speed may fire all of its weapons using the crews full ballistic skill.'

    Wont be needing skyfire rule now Wink

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    Re: attacking flyers. Aerial Assault

    Post by Anarkhia on Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:52 pm

    It's nothing to do with skyfire, it's in relation to moving and shooting vehicles.

    BRB pg71
    A vehicle that moved at Cruising Speed can only make
    Snap Shots, as above.

    Basically it means you can still fire at regular BS when moving cruising speed.

    It does not bypass the "hard to hit" rule, or grant it skyfire


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    Re: attacking flyers. Aerial Assault

    Post by Damkat on Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:00 pm

    Anarkhia wrote:It's nothing to do with skyfire, it's in relation to moving and shooting vehicles.

    BRB pg71
    A vehicle that moved at Cruising Speed can only make
    Snap Shots, as above.

    Basically it means you can still fire at regular BS when moving cruising speed.

    It does not bypass the "hard to hit" rule, or grant it skyfire

    I never said it grants skyfire.

    Also where in the aerial assault rule does it say that it only applies to moving, you are assuming that. What i quoted from the FAQ is all there is (no additional text). this is the important bit

    'a ravager that moved at cruising speed may fire all of its weapons using the crews full ballistic skill.'

    As always Codex trumps BRB.



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    Re: attacking flyers. Aerial Assault

    Post by Anarkhia on Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:05 pm

    I've read the FAQ myself and i think it's as clear as day that the reference is in regards to moving and shooting at cruising speed.

    Otherwise by your logic you can only shoot at fliers with regular BS when moving at cruising speed. Or any regular vehicle that remains stationary can do the same as they are allowed to fire at regular BS. My point is the ruling does not ignore the snapfire rule as a whole, just for when firing normally at cruising speed.


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    Re: attacking flyers. Aerial Assault

    Post by Damkat on Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:25 pm

    It doesnt say that though!

    By game design any vehicle that stays stationary cannot fire at fliers using their BS because they are dictated by the hard to hit rule which is a main rule in the BRB, not a rule from a codex.

    This rule bypasses that as it says can fire at their full BS, similar to the Tau device that always hits on a 2+ even against flyers.

    again codex trumps brb.

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    Re: attacking flyers. Aerial Assault

    Post by Anarkhia on Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:41 pm

    Hard to hit rule:

    Zooming Flyers are incredibly difficult targets for troops
    without suitably calibrated weapons and scopes. Shots resolved
    at a Zooming Flyer can only be resolved as Snap Shots
    (unless the model or weapon has the Skyfire special rule, as
    described on page 42).Template, Blast and large Blast weapons
    cannot hit flyers in Zoom mode.

    Only a model with skyfire can hit a flier at regular BS, end of.

    In the case of the Tau i'd argue the same. A marker light hits a flier on a 6, and then they choose to shoot the seeker missile at BS5 at it. As seeker missiles do not have the skyfire rule, it is reverted back to BS1


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    Re: attacking flyers. Aerial Assault

    Post by Damkat on Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:43 pm

    Julian, Its not the end off! you keep on quoting BRB. I quote codex. Again codex trumps BRB.

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    Re: attacking flyers. Aerial Assault

    Post by Anarkhia on Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:55 pm

    I think it's clear as day what the FAQ is trying to reference, and would find it very difficult to believe that you can't either.

    You're telling me that when (and only when) a ravager moves at cruising speed can they fire at fliers with full BS, which to me just doesn't sound one bit right at all.

    I've said my part, i'll leave it to the others to voice their opinions.


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    Re: attacking flyers. Aerial Assault

    Post by Vangeleon on Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:15 pm

    ok let me make this clear.

    to shoot at a flyer u always shoot at bs 1. no rule can change that.(unless have skyfire or shooting whilst flying)

    I cannot apply markers to increase my units BS beyond 1 when shooting at flyers.

    What i can do is shoot a seeker missle that after expending a marker always hits on a 2+ which is a different rule.

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    Re: attacking flyers. Aerial Assault

    Post by Anarkhia on Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:27 pm

    Vangeleon wrote:ok let me make this clear.

    to shoot at a flyer u always shoot at bs 1. no rule can change that.(unless have skyfire or shooting whilst flying)

    I cannot apply markers to increase my units BS beyond 1 when shooting at flyers.

    What i can do is shoot a seeker missle that after expending a marker always hits on a 2+ which is a different rule.

    The seeker missiles are shot upon a BS of 5, not always hitting on a 2+

    codex quote for seeker missiles
    The shooting is resolved normally in all regards at an assumed ballistic skill of 5

    Even states that the shooting is resolve normally in all regards, thus including shooting at fliers


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    Re: attacking flyers. Aerial Assault

    Post by Damkat on Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:37 pm

    Exactly, you have a rule in your codex which trumps a BRB rule. Ditto.

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    Re: attacking flyers. Aerial Assault

    Post by Vangeleon on Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:38 pm

    cheers for correcting me lol was gonna come do so myself Smile

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    Re: attacking flyers. Aerial Assault

    Post by Vangeleon on Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:40 pm

    LOL but ur rule does not relate to the same, all it meant you can fire at full bs instead of snap firing when moving at cruising speed, no mention or reference to skyflyers.

    Dude dont mix the rules, anyways are u really going this direction, u realise any1 who reads this will all think the same, wow what a way to try and abuse the rules in your advantage, not really in the spirit of the game. but hey im sure others will repeat this.

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    Re: attacking flyers. Aerial Assault

    Post by Damkat on Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:45 pm

    and your rule where you made up always hitting on a 2+ is fine?

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    Re: attacking flyers. Aerial Assault

    Post by Vangeleon on Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:49 pm

    made up....? julian corrected me, but ull find ALWAYS Shooting at BS 5 = ALWAYS hitting on 2+ as no to hit modifiers are applied in the game.

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    Re: attacking flyers. Aerial Assault

    Post by Damkat on Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:50 pm

    And always shooting at the users BS is different how?

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    Re: attacking flyers. Aerial Assault

    Post by Vangeleon on Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:57 pm

    Dude too very different situations, you are conveniently reading your rules incorrectly.

    your rule refers too when your cruising speed normally u would have to fire at snap fires, instead you can use full bs, however it does not cover all circumstances ie.

    "The shooting is resolved normally in all regards at an assumed ballistic skill of 5"

    There is quite a difference, never mind that your rule was intended to cover one rule and because it doesnt specifically spell it out to you u wanna use that rule for other circumstances. which sorry cannot be done.



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    Re: attacking flyers. Aerial Assault

    Post by Vangeleon on Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:58 pm

    and like i said if i cannot increase a units BS from 1 when shooting at skyfire then how can u conveniently shoot at flyers from a fast moving skimmer at full bs....

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    Re: attacking flyers. Aerial Assault

    Post by Damkat on Sat Aug 25, 2012 12:03 am

    i never said you couldnt, stop sprouting poopies.

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    Re: attacking flyers. Aerial Assault

    Post by Vangeleon on Sat Aug 25, 2012 12:13 am

    I never said u said i couldnt. where did i say that.

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    Re: attacking flyers. Aerial Assault

    Post by Damkat on Sat Aug 25, 2012 12:18 am

    Vangeleon wrote:and like i said if i cannot increase a units BS from 1 when shooting at skyfire then how can u conveniently shoot at flyers from a fast moving skimmer at full bs....

    If the 'discussion' is between your kind self and me then one could assume that you have implied that i said that.

    If you didnt i was Just clarifying.

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    Re: attacking flyers. Aerial Assault

    Post by Damkat on Sat Aug 25, 2012 12:21 am

    Anyway this is not getting any where and we are getting sooo lost in argument that the only way we will be able to get back is through Narnia, therefore im closing this thread and the other one which has, too, got lost in the warp somewhere!!!

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